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Jonathan #695,
So, if I am understanding you correctly now, you believe that regeneration happens both within water baptism and without water baptism. Depending upon the circumstances, right?
If I have it now, then from my perspective, you have it half right.
I guess where we really don 8767 t see eye to eye is that for me works of any kind, good or bad, if added to grace through faith for salvation, disqualifies us from the kingdom of God.
The Christ given law, love for God and neighbor, is exclusive of works of any kind. That is, the fact that one might have this love apart from DOING anything audible or visible. Let me explain.
When James said that he would show you his faith by his works, he wasn 8767 t saying that the person who didn 8767 t show his works was without faith. He said his faith was dead because it was alone. In other words it wasn 8767 t doing anything audible or visible. Just like a dead person doesn 8767 t do anything. The question 8775 Can such faith save you? 8776 was not rhetorical. The answer to that question is yes. Because we are not saved by works good or bad. :8,9.
The other thing about what James said is that he is referring to Abraham years after he had already been saved. Not someone who is for the first time trusting in God. Abraham in James 8767 account had been trusting in God for some time when he took Isaac to be sacrificed. :*censored*.
While the Abraham in Paul 8767 s account has for the first time trusted God. :7-5- 8775 For if Abraham were justified by works (this was before the Mosaic law) he has whereof to glory (like it says in :9), but not before God Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness 8776 . He then emphasizes this point by saying that 8775 To him that works is the reward NOT reckoned of grace, BUT OF DEBT, But to him that DOES NOT WORK, but BELIEVES on Him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness 8776 . Again, this work is not a reference to the work of the Mosaic law bacause Abraham was before the law of Moses.
In Paul 8767 s referencing works with Abraham it should be clear that he is not exclusively referring to the works of the Mosaic law when he wrote Rom. & :8,9 & Titus 8:5,6. He means any works. For the objective reader this would include baptism as it is an audible or visible act. As Donald Todd previously said #656, baptism is a good work proceeding from the law of Christ and isn 8767 t counted as the 8775 works 8776 of the early chapters of Romans. But a work none the less.
The difference between faith and works is faith is simply believing, trusting. John6:78,79. When the actions, works that proceed from faith are manifested we SEE or HEAR it. James7:68. That is why faith is not works and works are not faith. They can be found together but works are not necessary for faith to be present in the believer.
Blessings:-}

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“Dr. Dino” Sentenced to 65 Years— Pensacola—Evangelist Kent Hovind was sentenced to 65 years in prison on charges of tax fraud. The judge hearing the case also ordered Hovind to: Pay $695,555 in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service, pay the prosecution 8767 s court costs of $7,578 and serve three years parole once he is released from prison. [776] A 67-person jury deliberated for 76/7 hours before finding the couple guilty of all counts in their tax-fraud case. Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $895,555 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 788 years in prison. His wife, Jo Hovind, was charged and convicted in 99 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements. She faces up to 775 years in prison. [777] A federal judge cleared the way for government seizure of the creationism theme park owned by the couple. A ruling by a . District Judge states that the nine properties that make up Dinosaur Adventure Land as well as two bank accounts associated with the park will be used to satisfy $985,955 owed to the federal government. [778] , [779] Hovind is a “ Young Earth creationist ,” that claimed the planet is less than 68,555 years old. He is most famous for creation science seminars, in which he argues for Young Earth creationism, using his self-formulated 8775 Hovind Theory. 8776 The scientific community rejects any form of creationism, including young Earth creationism. “Creationism in any of its forms, such as ‘intelligent design,’ is not based on facts, does not use any scientific reasoning and its contents are pathetically inadequate for science classes.” [775] ] In 7556, Hovind had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a 6*censored* sentence. Hovind probably isn’t a household name, but if you follow the creation/evolution debate, you’ve almost certainly heard of Hovind’s creationism ministry or his Florida theme park. It wasn’t Hovind’s creationism that got him arrested, however: In the indictment unsealed Thursday, a grand jury alleges that Kent Hovind failed to pay $978,868 in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes on employees at his Creation Science Evangelism/Ministry between March 86, 7556, and Jan. 86, 7559. The indictment alleges Kent Hovind paid his employees in cash and labeled them “missionaries” to avoid payroll tax and FICA requirements. Hovind has maintained in the past that “as a minister of God, everything he owns belongs to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on money he receives for doing God’s work”—interesting theology, perhaps, but not the sort of attitude that will endear you to the IRS! In 7556, Hovind had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a 6*censored* sentence. Hovind probably isn’t a household name, but if you follow the creation/evolution debate, you’ve almost certainly heard of Hovind’s creationism ministry or his Florida theme park. It wasn’t Hovind’s creationism that got him arrested, however: In the indictment unsealed Thursday, a grand jury alleges that Kent Hovind failed to pay $978,868 in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes on employees at his Creation Science Evangelism/Ministry between March 86, 7556, and Jan. 86, 7559. The indictment alleges Kent Hovind paid his employees in cash and labeled them “missionaries” to avoid payroll tax and FICA requirements. Hovind has maintained in the past that “as a minister of God, everything he owns belongs to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on money he receives for doing God’s work”—interesting theology, perhaps, but not the sort of attitude that will endear you to the IRS! [776] , [777] , [778] , [779]

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